Excerpt from Mr. Adnan Oktar's Live Conversation on A9 TV dated October 11th, 2012 OKTAR BABUNA: Good evening our dear viewers, we are starting another episode of our program with our dear Master. Tonight we have very valuable guests. First I would like to introduce our guests to you. MR. Timothy Hogan. He is the current Grand Commander, that is, the Grand Master of the Knights Templars. In other words, he is the current leader of The Sovereign Order of the Initiatic Temple [the Ordre Soverain du Temple Initiatique], the original Templars with a lineage that goes back to the 12th century. Right beside him we have Mr. Wayne Arner. He is a 33 degree Mason in Colorado, US. He has been a Mason for more than 60 years. He leads many masonic affiliated structures in America and is the spiritual consultant of the Scottish Rite Denver Consistory Council. He is a member of 33 Degree Supreme Council and a Knight Commander of the Temple in the York Rite. Right beside him we have Mr. Trevor Stewart
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