Tucker Carlson interviewed American economist Jeffrey Sachs:

Tucker Carlson interviewed American economist Jeffrey Sachs: — Putin told me, and I checked, it's true, that he asked Clinton if Russia could join NATO. By definition, this seems like a victory. NATO exists as a bulwark against Russia. If Russia wants to join the alliance, it means you have won. Why did the US government reject this proposal? — Russia wanted, or rather Europe wanted, before Europe became a fully vassal province of the US, wanted what they call collective security. People will say about me, has this guy gone crazy? But in fact, there is a great deal of sense in this. Gorbachev dissolved the Warsaw Pact - we should have dissolved NATO. But this is our way of maintaining hegemony in Europe. In other words, this is our way of maintaining our influence in Europe. Not the defence of Europe, not even the defence of us. This is hegemony. We need our pieces on the board. NATO - that's our piece on the board. — Why does Germany allow foreign troops to be stationed on its soil... Source: Node of Time EN