Hatun & Jay blow away MUHAMMAD by DATING his EXTANT MANUSCRIPTS!

A few months ago a certain Muslim Internet Apologist named Farid uploaded a video deriding Jay and Al Fadi for claiming that the earliest manuscripts supporting what Muhammad did (the SIRA) and what Muhammad said (the HADITH) did not appear until the 9th - 10th centuries (see it here: Farid claimed that Jay was simply ignorant, because he had in his own library at least 6 books from Muslim scholars which all predated Ibn Hisham and Al Bukhari, including: Muwatta ibn Malik, Sahifa Hamman B. Munabbih, Musnad ibn Hanbal, Musanaf Abdul Razzaq, Musnad al-Tayalisi, and Abi Shaybah, all from the 7th and 8th centuries. So, Jay decided to have his team in the UK, led by Dr. Pat Andrews, look into these claims and find the earliest EXTANT manuscripts for not only these 6, but the SIRA compilers, as well as the 6 HADITH writers and most importantly, Al Tabari's TAFSIR & TA'RIKH. Here, then, are their findings: In this interview Hatun Tash had Jay introduce for the first time the dates for the EXTANT MANUSCRIPTS for all of the Traditional compilers. THE EARLIEST SUPPOSED 7TH - 8TH CENTURY SAHABA AND TABI'UN WRITERS WERE NOT FROM THOSE CENTURIES AT ALL BUT WERE WRITTEN 200 - 600 YEARS LATER: •The Muwatta ibn Malik is not from the 7th century, but from the 9th century (thus 200 years later) •The Sahifa Hamman B. Munabbih is not from the 7th century, but from the 12th c. (thus 500 years later) •The Musnad ibn Hanbal is not from the 7th century, but from the 13th century (thus 600 years later) •The Musanaf Abdul Razzaq is not from the 7th century, but from the 13th c. (thus 600 years later) •The Musnad al-Tayalisi is not from the 7th century, but from the 13th century (thus 600 years later) •Abi Shaybah is not from the 8th century, but from the 13th century (so, a good 600 years later) THE EARLIEST SUPPOSED 9TH - 10TH CENTURY SIRA AND HADITH COMPILERS WERE NOT FROM THOSE CENTURIES AT ALL BUT WERE WRITTEN 400 - 1,200 YEARS LATER: •Ibn Hisham's Sira was not compiled by anyone in the 9th century, but was put together and published in 1860 AD by the German scholar Heinrich Ferdinand Wustenfeld, which is not only 1,000 years too late, but only around 160 years ago! •Abu Dawud's Hadith is not from the 9th century, but was written in the 11th century (or 200 years later) •An-Nasai's Hadith is not from the 9th century, but was written in the 12th century (so 300 years later) •Ibn Majah's Hadith is not from the 9th century either, but was written in the 13th century (thus 400 years later) •Jami’ At-Tirmidhi's Hadith is not from the 9th century as well, but was written in the 14th century (or 500 years later) •Sahih Muslim's Hadith, the 2nd most important compilation, is not from the 9th century, but was also written in the 14th century (a whopping 500 years later) •Sahih Bukhari's Hadith, the most important and supposedly the only “Perfect“ compilation, is not from the 9th century at all, but was written in the 14th–15th centuries (which is an embarrassing 500-600 yrs later)! AL TABARI'S TA'RIKH AND TAFSIR WERE NOT COMPOSED BY ANYONE IN THE 10TH CENTURY, BUT WERE COMPILED 600 YEARS LATER: •The edition of Al Tabari which everyone uses today was compiled by a Dutch Arab Scholar named Michael Jan De Geoje, who while the professor of Arabic at Leiden University, Germany (between 1879 – 1901), compiled the Ta'rikh, which is now known as the ‘Leiden Edition’. De Goeje used two 13th century Arabic manuscripts (The Istanbul, Koprului 1041 (C), written in 1244 AD, and the Istanbul, Koprului 1041 (C) from 1253 AD. CONCLUSIONS: 1) The man whom Muslims are dependent on to know who their prophet is or what he did (the SIRA), is an elderly German linguist who wrote Muhammad’s story 160 years ago, thus over 1,000 year too late! 2) All Muslim scholars believe that the stories surrounding Muhammad’s life were written by the ‘Sahaba’ or the ‘Tabi’un’ (1st and 2nd generations from the prophet); thus by eyewitnesses. Yet, we now find out that they were all written by others over 200 – 600 years later, and simply redacted back to the 7th & 8th centuries! Thus, they are all probably fraudulent 3) All Western and Muslim scholars assume that the SIRA and HADITH compilations were just 200 – 300 years old, which is bad enough. They have yet to be told that they are really much older; between the 11th – 19th centuries, in other words between 400 – 1,200 years too old! 4) Even Al Tabari’s Ta’rikh, and his Tafsir are not 10th century originals, but are much later 13th century compilations which were merely attributed back to Al Tabari 300 years earlier. Yet, they are still 600 years too late! What’s more, it took a German scholar to compile them 1,200 years later! This suggests that all the Traditions were written by others 100s of years later, proving that they are All REDACTED ATTRIBUTIONS! © Pfander Centre for Apologetics & Polemics - US, Sept. 7, 2024 (109,930)