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Political scientist Norman Finkelstein and Human Rights attorney Craig Mokhiber react to the International Court of Justice's ruling and explain what it really means. 00:00:00 Intro 00:02:00 Katie intros Norman & Craig 00:02:50 Norman & Craig enter 00:03:00 Craig reacts to ICJ summarized 00:07:00 would Israel have complied with a ceasefire order? 00:11:45 Norman sets historical context for ICJ decision. 00:22:00 Norman admits he was wrong in his ICJ prediction 00:27:30 Katie reads super chat comments 00:29:10 Katie sets up first ICJ video clip 00:29:30 clip of ICJ judge on genocidal language 00:32:00 panel reacts to clip 00:35:00 Craig comments on Uganda judge 00:36:10 Norman comments on judge 00:44:00 Craig recalls his experiences/observations re: South Africa and compares to what Israel has done 00:51:00 Norman reacts 00:52:30 the Israeli judge who dissented 00:56:20 they’re so cocky, so in their bubble 00:57:30 ‘what are you defending?’ 00:57:30 horrific justifications given in defense of Israel’s actions 00:59:25 South African Foreign Minister response 01:05:30 significance of South Africa bringing this case for the people of Gaza. That Israel didn’t bring it. 01:07:00 International Law was on trial 01:07:40 the only other state that has stepped is Houthi Yemen 01:08:00 Norman on smug European Westerners spouting off about human rights 01:10:30 the West’s response to the Houthis doing the right thing is to bomb them. 01:12:10 Norm “developed a real soft spot in my heart” for Houthis 01:13:00 Norman lists his three Nobel Peace Prize entities he’d give the prize to 01:14:30 ‘if genocide is the crime of crimes, then the Houthis are the heroes of heroes’ 01:15:00 Craig: Gaza is the definition of courage 01:15:45 the targeting of journalists 01:17:30 Craig’s experiences in Palestine 01:21:20 Norman speaks about how great it is the outpouring of support from young Jews 01:22:00 Debra Messing post 01:24:30 Craig on “these D-List entertainers pimping themselves out for Israel” 01:25:20 Norman ‘when has ignorance stopped anyone from talking, have you seen Jordan Peterson?’ 01:25:50 Norman says he needs to leave to eat 01:27:20 Norman reads one more quote/excerpt before leaving 01:28:25 Katie asks Norman one more question, asking once we get the ruling, how do we use that in the propaganda war? Norman replies. *(clip) 01:33:30 Norman reads an excerpt from his latest book 01:37:45 John Kirby video clip 01:39:00 Craig reaction/comment to first Kirby clip *(clip) 01:44:30 second John Kirby clip 01:46:30 Craig comments/reacts 01:50:00 State Department’s firing on UNRA 01:56:00 propaganda war will continue, but the “genie isn’t going back in the bottle” 01:58:00 Katie reads super chats, winds down the broadcast 02:07:50 plays clip of Israeli news piece from Middle East Eye about Israeli claims being shown to be objectively untrue 02:12:08 clip ends, Katie reacts/comments Norman Finkelstein is a political scientist, prolific author, and son of Holocaust survivors. He received his PhD from the Princeton University Politics Department in 1987. He is the author of many books that have been translated into 60 foreign editions, including THE HOLOCAUST INDUSTRY: Reflections on the exploitation of Jewish suffering, and GAZA: An inquest into its martyrdom, I'LL BURN THAT BRIDGE WHEN I GET TO IT! Heretical Thoughts on Identity Politics, Cancel Culture, and Academic Freedom. In the year 2020, Norman Finkelstein was named the fifth most influential political scientist in the world. Craig Mokhiber is a longtime international human rights lawyer who served as director of the New York Office of the United Nations High Commissioner for Human Rights. He has resigned after publicly accusing the U.N. of failing to address what he calls a “text-book case of genocide“ unfolding in Gaza. His resignation letter has gone viral. ***Please support The Katie Halper Show *** For bonus content, exclusive interviews, to support independent media & to help make this program possible, please join us on Patreon - Get your Katie Halper Show Merch here! Follow Katie on Twitter: @kthalps
