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“I was definitely raised to be a Jewish leader of some kind.” With college campuses all over the US gripped by intense battles around free speech, antisemitism and Palestinian rights - the voices of young Jewish Americans have led the way. One of the boldest and most prominent voices is that of Simone Zimmerman. Zimmerman was raised in a conservative Zionist household, taught to idolise and support Israel as the highest aspiration of all young Jewish Americans like her. But as she got older, she began to question whether there was another side to Israel she was being sheltered from - and when she sought answers, she was shocked at what she discovered. Prompted by conversations with Palestinians under occupation and Jewish activists, she went home and began to organise in an attempt to stop her government’s military support for Israel, and as she puts it, “live out the values of justice I was raised on”. On the frontlines of protests in campuses and halls of power, she suddenly found herself a target of accusations by pro-Israeli groups, who now called her “antisemitic” and threatening her online. After October 7, she became more determined than ever to challenge the beliefs in her community about Israel, and the reluctance by many to see the horrific reality of what’s happening in Gaza. This week on The Big Picture, we sit down with Simone Zimmerman to talk about her story, which has been documented in a provocative new documentary called ‘Israelism’, and whether we’re witnessing a turning point in how young Jewish-Americans see Israel, and how young Americans see their government’s support for the occupation. Check out the trailer for Israelism here: Check out Simone Zimmerman’s work with If Not Now here: Subscribe and listen to The Big Picture on all podcast platforms: Timeline: 0:00 - Intro 2:25 - Becoming a Jewish leader 3:50 - Continuing a lineage of a Jewish fight for justice 6:55 - How Jewish Americans are raised to believe in Israel 10:00 - Challenging the asumptions within Jewish communities 11:30 - Dealing with personal attacks for her activism 14:40 - Why it's important for Jewish activists to be part of the Pro-Palestine movement 17:40 - How Jewish people reacted to October 7 23:03 - Is it easy to have conversations about Israel with Jewish people? 25:00 - An undeniable generational shift in how young people see Israel 29:10 - The mainstream focus on Netanyahu instead of the occupation 32:20 - Challenging the pro-Israel lobby in the US 34:43 - How do you talk about antisemitism? 41:10 - The positive reactions to the 'Israelism' film 43:20 - The reason Jews believe in Zionism and how to challenge it 48:10 - Every society has a story it tells about itself 50:00 - There are similar fights others are having in their communities 51:38 - Outro
